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Courage and Wisdom - Howard Shore. Cousins by Vampire Weekend. Cowboy Kid Rock. Crash World. Crave by Pharrell Williams. Crazy - Meredith Brooks. Who do you call then? How much are you willing to pay to have someone who knows how, to come fix it then? I agree, you should get more than one price, unless you know someone, or are friends with someone who does know someone! Just because you aren't aware of prices, because, how often do you have to deal with this? Reputable door companys won't take advantage of you, just because you don't know.

After hours, most will charge a reasonable fee for calling someone out after regular hours. They have to pay the help extra! Don't let someone tell you sagging springs are a sign of worn out springs. Springs don't wear out! They are just as strong from the time they set in, till the day they give up! There is no way to know when a spring will break. We just know that if you have a pair of springs, the same size, one breaks, the other will usually break soon after. That is because they have both had the same movement, winding, and unwinding! A "professional" garage door repair man will check things other than the springs for excessive wear, and most will not use grease on the track.

A garage door lube, which is basicly a dry lube, is adequate, and isn't messy if you come in contact with it. You can usually purchase a can from your service man, and periodically lube the rollers and hinges yourself. You don't have to lube the track. A professional can certify as to the system's safety!

Peace of mind! One last thing, It isn't true that you shouldn't call someone who has a website. I have evaded this for all these years. Now, with the economy as it is, I developed a website. I wish to have my share of the market, and to do that, I have to be visible to a larger market!

I still ask you to ask for estimates, and asure yourself that it won't change after the job is done. I say the same thing to people taking big trees down on their property. Call a pro, its dangerous. I've done some doors before, but with this one I'm tellin' you, there is no winding cone. If I knew how to insert a image here I would. The springs are not on a long shaft. They are individually mounted way over at each side of the door on their own bracket. PS: I called a couple guys.

Just a thought about your door, I grew up in a house about that vintage. It takes some muscle and maybe a friend or two. If you need more description than that, I doubt you're up to the task. I dont mean to be rude, but a solid door like that is dangerous. I haven't fixed one since I was a reckless teenager and I was lucky no one got hurt.

Also some better made systems have a key that can be wound, like a clock and are much easier and safer to tune than using winding bars and set screws. Michael, I'm convinced you have extension springs. It must have the pulley system incorporated because the spring won't stretch enough to let the door to the floor. Make sure whoever replaces the springs for you include a containment cable. It could save your life! Actually, they are probably extension springs, but look like torsion springs. On a door made in the 's, they mounted torsion springs either vertically on the sides of the track, or horizontally near the ceiling.

No winding cones, just u-hooks. We won;t see these often at all. Doubt the door weighs lbs though. Probably around My husband is a true do it yourselfer. After an entire saturday of listening to him complain as he tried to repair our garage door, I called a residential door company. It was pricy, but well worth every penny. I only watch the first segment, after seeing this guy touch the spring with his hand that was enough for me. There is another video with a professional installer. He an older gentlemen, he used vise grips to hold the Torsion tube as a safety precaution.

Not once did the installer touch the springs during the installation process. If you are not confident using hand tools, hire someone. It took me approximately 45mins to install both sides. To Fireballs, The gentleman you watched used the visegrips to HOLD the torsion tube, so the cables would remain taught, and not flip off the drums while winding the springs.

It was not a safety procedure. I don't know where "Tate" got his information, but I remembered he said it was impossible to replace a pair of springs in 20 minutes. Something I always do and I don't charge a service charge on top of the price of the repair!

The gentleman was watching the time because he had to leave to drive school bus as soon as I finished. The professional is usually the best bet for garage door repair, because Most of us have learned how to be efficient, and safe! Loosening all the set screws and sliding the torsion tube one way, then the other, is the quickest and usually the easiest way to remove and replace the springs.

Warren, I was merely stating that doing the job safely and thoroughly ,you couldn't do the job in 20 minutes. I like to give my customers value for their dollar by checking the complete system and adjusting to proper safety specs. Good job though, you're fast. I agree with you, Tate, on being thorough. I wasn't racing, and everything just clicked! The installer did a good job by not over tightening the set screws. That made it come apart, and go together MUCH easier. I checked the up and down sensitivity, and when I adjusted the down pressure, I noticed the chain was slack, and that there was residue around the sprocket.

I went back today and replaced the sprocket assy in the opener. The owner didn't have time yesterday! Seems very high to me!!! Listen everybody I suggest you look elsewhere. All of these comments I've read and not 1 person has considered the cost to do business. Do you have any idea how much it costs to advertise? The cost for insurance and bonding? How long it takes to drive to the supplier to pick up parts?

There are alot of factors involved in doing garage door repair. Think of it this way. Its just the cost of doing business!! Comes with a 3 year parts and labor warranty. Includes lube, tune and opener ajustment. We never replace one spring if one is broken the other is shot too. If you know what your doing and we do. Spring changes just take a few minutes in most cases. No matter what anyone says on this site or others this is a job best left to professionals. It's really not a do it yourself job. The guy telling you it is a do it yourself job is trying to sell you springs!

That fool was lucky he didn't kill himself. It looked to me like when he was done his door wasn't balanced right anyway. Best advice hire a pro. To Ownerofcoconutsinsouthpadre, wow that's a mouth full, antway pricing is relevant to the market you are in. Atlanta is a huge Metro and the marketplace merits that price. All of my pricing is via competition surveys in this market. Yours could differ.

Also, warraties from company to company differ. A year warranty is normal. Anyone offering a lifetime warranty are feeding you a load of it. They won't be in business for you to collect on that warranty. Your all trailer trash people talking on here it sounds like, I get almost What do you think this is burger king, have it your way. I also charge for a garage door opener too, and I am so busy I work late every night, even weekends. Get a life and charge before you find yourself standing in a bread line.

It shows how your mentallity is buy what you charge, customers dont really care, most of them always act surprized but dont really care, they have the same reaction when I charge dollars for something as , and they all still pay the bill with a smile. I work in a different field, but have lot of training and expertise at what I do close to a decade is required to be qualified. I am paid very well, but have never bent some one over and tried to do what you are describing.

God help anyone dumb enough to pay you what you charge. I've lived in 11 states and we've had 12 different houses. My husband is transferred a lot. I've had the springs replaced on our garage door in most of those houses over the years. AND I would warn all my friends. If you make our neighborhood shiester list, the guard won't even let you in the front gate. The man who replaced my springs not only enjoyed his work, talking to me while he worked about exactly what he was doing, but he was pleasant and helpful in all respects, checking everything else on the door while he was here.

If I have to replace the whole door, or have any more repairs done on this door, I won't hesitate to call him and recommend him to my friends and neighbors. People you need shop around only criminals charge prices like that. Trailer Trash I wonder who's the trash? Just goes to show you ripp-offs abound. Your remarks, and language, reflect on your mentality! You appear to just be a smart allec trying to be funny! You are not! Anyone who would pay that much for your services probably doesn't have the intelligence to earn the kind of money it takes to pay your fees, or they make so much that they don't get a second opinion.

I don't know where you get your springs for 8 or 9 dollars. At that price, I wouldn't trust them to even be wound, let alone operate a door. Even extension springs cost dealers more than that! You probably should get a job, and quit harrassing people trying to earn an honest living! Could anyone tell me if I got totally ripped off or just a little ripped off? Not ripped off at all?? It took him over an hour. Replaced the pole that holds the springs, the the middle bracket, two springs, the cables, 2 torque force drums?

Sprayed lube. It is rolling single door for a 2 car garage and both springs were broken. Probably about years old. He said he didn't have springs that fit the pole thing so he had to replace the pole thing. He was very professional and came out the same day within 30 minutes of the 2 hour window. Looks and sounds like he did alot and at the time I thought the cost was higher than anything I imagined, but was happy to pay it as it was a dangerous situation.

But what would I know, I wish I did a little research before now reading all the deals people got That includes removing your old door and installing the new door with all new hardware, track and springs. Next time shop around chances are good you didn't need most of the parts you paid for.

We never replace parts unless they are visibly broken. I have been in the door business for over 30 years, my wife worked in the industry for over 12 years, my father was in the business and my brother is also in the business. Cost to hire it out, Total cost. And are approximate. Any additional work should be billed time and material and quoted before the work is done. There are many things that can break and or wear out on a garage door or opener. Torsion springs are bought and sold by weight. There are several major spring manufactures in the country, and they all are very close in price.

A dealer in Florida is paying pretty much the same as a dealer in Oregon. Same for all door hardware and opener parts and controls, not bought by weight, but priced the same throughout the country. There are many different sized springs, the factors involved are: Inside diameter, wire diameter and length. All of these effect the overall weight of a spring. This price is effected buy the price of metal at the time the spring was made and shipping costs to the dealer. Over the past year the raw costs involved in manufacturing springs have varied greatly from month to month and shipping costs have also varied greatly.

The more the door weighs, the more the spring will cost. These are the facts regarding spring costs. When we talk about labor, we have to take into effect the area of the country, so therefore this can vary widely. Lets say Indianapolis IN. Today's market. Bigger companies have bigger overhead, they need to produce more revenue. They are also more apt to have fully insured employees that make decent wages and have benefits. Many of the bigger companies have several long term employees. Some of these big companies are fair and honest some are not. Smaller one man operations and small family ran garage door business.

Less overhead, less revenue needed. Likely an installer or service person who has decided to break away from a bigger company and hang out their own shingle. You will find some very dedicated people in this group and you will also find some real scam artists. There is no pat answer as to a bigger or smaller company is better than the other. Same goes for the size of the add in the phone book. A guy with a small add will tell you that all the folks that run full page adds are ripping you off, and the guy with the full page add will tell you to stay away from the " tailgater" with nothing to loose.

As to the talk about how long does this take. A good door man can run 8 - 10 service calls in an 8 to 10 hour day. Not all service calls are broken springs mind you. Typical replacement of two torsion springs takes 45min to 1 hour, of on the job time. Same job for a first timer should take about hours after studying up on the subject and taking the time needed to do it safely. Do it your self: Yes, it can be done, is it dangerous, yes it is. But so is using a circular saw, a drill, lawn mower, cleaning your gutters or crossing the street for that matter. Just as you should do your homework choosing a " professional " to repair your door, if you choose to repair it yourself, you must also do your homework.

In the times we currently live in there will be more of a need for many people to become more self sufficient. Garage door repair is only one of the many things that we will all start looking at as a means to save money. This was really helpful info. I believe I was overcharged, and I used your quote to support a request for a partial refund, which I got!

I haven't seen your "pole" torsion tube, but it probably didn't need to be replaced, as well as the cable "torsion" drums. They don't wear out! As for the cables, they can get frayed, an need to be replaced. It doesn't hurt to replace rollers and cables if they warant it. Even the bearings on the torsion tube.

If the tube has been ruined from overtightening springs and drums, then the tube should be replaced. Whenever someone wants to do that extensive a service, ALWAYS ask to see the old parts, and watch them remove them so you can see that they aren't old parts from someone elses door! I can't stand a liar or a thief. Sounds like your tech was both!

Gullibility is no excuse for ripping people off! One thing to remember, the job is done and you're happy. I'll second the info. Their code of ethics is the best around. Documentation on the business complaint history is provided at no charge. Good Luck!!! Tate, we should conclude that after you find that someone has taken advantage of you, and you have found out about it, call the BBB and report them.

It may save someone else the same experience! Kirby, while dollars is obtuse, replacing a 30 year old Crawford or OHD oak frame door with a non insulated POS is just as obtuse. Now if you want to go with any type of sandwich steel, I see your point. Putting springs, cables, rollers, drums and yes they do wear out, the set screw holes strip out and crack and headplates with bearings, is an excellent repair to one of those types of doors. The older solid wood doors not pine are 10 times better.

So I would conclude, give your customer options and let them decide whats best for them.


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Good Luck Everyone!!!! Thanks for your comments everyone. Both springs did not break at the same time. The first one broke and was pointed out to me probably a few years ago, but I didn't know what that meant, the door was opening fine as far as I knew. This door is on my parents house, where I do not live. Oh also he said we had old cables that were actually fine but the "law" was that the cables they install now for that type of door should be a thicker heavier type. I feel a little better, Tate that I think you're saying that he replaced what he should have.

Also, the door itself looks to be in excellent condition, and I think it is pretty heavy too. Although most are saying that I surely did get overcharged, I'm ok with it because the reason it was such an emergency not that this detail is important! I needed it fixed and I got it fixed. I should let it go now or I will drive myself crazy!! Thanks again all. My wife tried to open the garage door this a.

After investigating in the garage, I looked up to discover the torsion spring was broken. I have heard horror stories abour these things from my neighbors, so I called a pro located not too far from me. He came out and talked to me about it and said that you should replace both springs, since the other one will break soon.

I didn't want to be around when that happened!! I live in Dearborn, MI and this is a local company with a good rep. It seems like a small price to pay for a project that I don't want anything to do with. The guy finished the job in 40 minutes. I live in San Francisco bay area. This is the second time in 22 years torsion springs broke.

This time I started educating myself before I started calling for professional installation. Mr Pashi, for someone to have to come out to your house, measure and then come back the next day sounds like they do this part time. Any true Door company will have the necessary parts to do the job the first trip out, and not waste your valuable time.

I would be interested in who you used because I live in the same county as yourself. There are several companies in your area that could provide better service than that. Good Luck!!!! Yes, the young gentleman Jeremy , in an Atlanta suburb came the next day and installed the springs. I guess because this man is a small outfit, I got a more personal, cheap and satisfactory job. I didn't mind him coming back the next day "wasting my valuable time", as Tate says in his above response with the right spring size.

Being that Tate brought up the aspect of "Any true Door company" would have done the job right on the first trip: I have to mention that I called all those top names with catchy "Garage door specialists" first, and got intimidated with their scared tactics that they were the only ones who know how this should be done properly, but with loafty prices.

A few would not even quote an approx. But when I contacted this young man, who had only a one line address in the yellow pages, he not only quoted me a price from the gross dimensions I gave, came out to on his way to another job to verify. He also did not charge extra for the heavier gauge spring required. The net is full of examples of how unsuspecting and naive people have been ripped of simple repairs.

I thought of using this forum to benefit others. Pashi, sounds like you got a great job at a fair price. Glad to hear it. Just sounded like you had a part timer on your hands. Agreed, companies that won't quote you a price over the phone for a simple spring job, have something to hide. You can also go to the better business bureau for a listing of good companies. Just beware of the smaller company warranties and limits of liability. They sometimes don't have the insurance to cover the mistakes that can be made from time to time!!! Have seen and heard about some crazy ones!!!

Good Luck, you found a needle in a haystack!!! Pashi based on your strong recommendation I contacted the young man you referred Jeremy to have him replace one torsion spring. About 2 hours after the job was completed my door suddenly stopped working. I called this same company back to have someone come back next day to see what the problem was. According to the service rep there was a gear that had gone out on the motor that opens the door and since the unit was old and outdated he recommended that it be replaced. I then called Jeremy and explained I just had service work done on my garage and only had one Torsion spring replaced and wanted the other replaced.

He quoted me a much more reasonable price and came out next day. He was pleasant and thorough as he explained what he was doing and why. I was pleased with his service and have will have no problem referring him and his company. Why dont all you scum bag garage door companies go work for a company or Mc donalds for that matter, and make french fries. You people are losers who dont know how to run a business, your more concerned with showing or proving to people you can do a spring change, whippie doo, you better start thinking of your future, before you get old and sick, you wont have a pot to piss in to pay your bills then and will regret what your writing and charging today.

Ok you win the prize on how low you can charge, now go out and start experience charging people before its too late, and Im not talking about five more dollars either, Im talking 5 to 7 hundred for springs, use your damn head that god has giving you and charge you idiots. I know your probably gonna say knowone pays that for springs, well I have been doing this for more then 24 yrs. H, Rectom, Mr. T, or whatever your name is; If you are so busy installing, repairing, and replacing springs at such an exorbitant fee, and making them "like it," how do you find the time to try to be funny on the p.

Ripping people off is bad bussiness any way you look at it. When the customer figures out he has been had, you will be the one who suffers Mr. Please people shop and compare. Like you are a concerned person, you make me sick. The reason i am able to sit here and write this, Mr.

Wade or whoever you are, is that I charge enough to hire people and not have to do the work myself. Your just a bum, who thinks people care about what your saying, get a life you idiot, knowone cares. Your probably an oaky from mascoaky, and think dollars is all the money in the world, my minimum service charge is higher then your springchanges.

I reset cabes for You bums are spinning your wheels. Im retiring this yr. Think of me floating in warm tropical water somewhere with my colorful drink in my hand with a little umbrella covering the drink and a orange slice, while your hands are all greasy, and you have to ring a strangers door bell and talk to them when really they dont want you anywhere near there house. Im glad i made it through this business and now im out because you people today are real idiots. The only ones that get charged more are bums like you because thats the only way these companies will sell to you bums.

Wow, Mr Rectom you are so helpful! Wayne Dalton sells springs? I'm so glad to hear that. Maybe Clopay, Raynor and Amarr sell springs too. I never would have thought of that. I just thought they sold Garage Doors. All you legit door companies! This A. He don't get his springs for 8 or 9 dollars, unless they come from China. If he is legit, he gets them the same places as the rest of us. Either a door company, or Iowa spring, or one of the others. It may figure out to about 7 to 10 bucks, if you buy snakes and cone them.

As for the prices he says he charges, Can't be real! He would have to be servicing people in his own community I don't have to tell you where these people are! Ignore him, and he will get tired and go away! It would be my guess the door companies got tired of him and won't sell to him! Hey warren you freak, I buy my springs coned, and I by 2 or 3 hundred at a time. Thats what I pay and theres no way for me to prove to you what I charge because you would tell the customers they paid too much, thats the trailer trash mentality you have I could tell.

I could care less about you freaks, all Im trying to say is you losers have ruined this industry and charge less then what my old boss charged in the 70s. Its time to get a life, i bet you do your own oil changes and tune ups on your car too right. I could smell a scumbag a mile away. Have fun going into debt, Im retiring in a few months you suckers. Waste your life doing it for nothing, it doesnt bother me anymore, I just wanted to tell you people that since I have heard this stuff so long it makes me sick. I just had my springs replaced today. So they will negotiate on price so don't be afraid to try.

And yes, the bigger the yellow page ad the higher the bid was. And don't let them try to talk longer warranty cost more. My last springs lasted 11 years and they were the lowest warranty and cheapest. Rectom, if you enter your company name there I think you'll discover what customers really think of your service.

I just came back from the "Rip Off Report" that Mr. Musick refered to. I was amazed at the prices some of these companies were able to charge, because people assumed they were legit because of the large ads. Then when presented the bill, went into shock! I noticed that most of these companies had the same name, but no one knew who the owners were. What are the bets Mr A. Rectom is involved? You guys must be friendless losers to be sitting on here writing back and fourth.

Mc Donalds are hiring if you have nothing to do. As for ripoff. And for the phrase that when customers found out they were shocked, your such a loser to say they werent legit,as if you guys are. They have webber bar b qs on sale why dont you go down there and pick one up you trailer trash people. Yep, that site helps with the cartoon type yellow page ad companies you see in the phone book. They are all one company and don't have an office for you to go see them face to face. Do business with a company that you can go and complain to if there is an issue. H, rectom, or whatever you really are; Talk about " the pot calling the kettle black," How do you find the time to make such ridiculous statements?

You give mention to McDonalds so much, I figure you must be a manager of one, because you sure don't seem to know much about the garage door business! I saw every years in some of these posts that that is what they last. You should get 20 years out of torsion springs Sorry but that is a fact. Single springs on big doors wear the drums, his plastic bushing was trashed, and the crappy weak springs tore his opener gear out. I told him call the other guy I am sure he will up his price with additional needed parts and he can call me back in another 3 years to fix the spring again.

When I was done with 2 springs, steel bearing, drums, gear, aligned the door aligning doors correctly fixes a lot of problems , and correctly reset the springs I got the comments I usually get. This door has never been this smooth. I can't believe it. Go ahead. Get that cheap crap. You get what you pay for. Sunday I had 2 houses I put a new door in the 3 year old one Because as Americans you think price is not relevant. You want a McD burger you get a bad burger. Want a steak burger Same goes for doors.

When we quote doors we give options Yes it is better than what they already have Fix the springs yourself please I love that. After 14 years I have run into so many people who have destroyed their door worse than it was when it broke. And yes I have seen blood on the floor when someone does something stupid.

They may not kill you but I have seen enough stitches in people's faces and hands to know that they will hurt you. You actually fixed my door! She had never heard the opener run before because the door was so messed up. Some schmuck told her that she needed a new opener If she had called me first You will know the difference when I leave and you will not only be thoroughly pleased It's not the money that matters And I do the same quality work no matter what the price but I too have overhead I don't do it for free.

See theres another guy like me, the spring guy. Hes not afraid to charge, he sounds like me. All you other losers dont belong in the business, its about the money you idiots. You seem to think people care that you could wind a spring, they dont. Change you numbers, its a numbers game, and make some money.

Watch how your life changes from trailer trash to a rich guy. You probably charge so low because you cant believe the customers using you in the first place. I understand if you feel your a loser and cant charge anyone. Im glad im retiring and dont have to deal with losers like you anymore, Im glad the spring guy confirmed my last emails and charges high too.

I was beginning to think all garage door people were losers. Right on spring guy, maybe I know you. I don't know where you buy your springs, but saying they should last twenty years is a stretch.


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  6. You would have to put. As far as pricing, charge whatever you want. The marketplace will determine if you stay in business or not. More accurately, roughly 10, cycles. I've changed standarad 10, cycle springs with hi-cycle springs because some people use their doors a dozen times or more a day. They will only last a couple of years with that much usage. Thats why no one guarantees how long a spring will last. As far as wrong springs causing problems with the opener, that much is true!

    But, if the door "balances," the opener will only over work if the door needs attention in the area of rollers, bearings, or alignment, and I also, have been called to "fix" a door that someone had just repaired, and didn't operate properly. Occassionaly someone is in the field who hasn't been properly trained! I still only charge a fair price for the work done. I don't try to make the weeks income off one job! This warren guy is a fucking idiot, and for saying your price will determine if you stay in business, your scum, its the other way around, if you charge too low and you and you get sick or injured or business slows down you cant pay your bills, if you charge high you can weather the storms, havent you ever heard the saying save for a rainy day you idiot.

    Like I said before, go back to Mc Donalds and make french fries. Within the framework of decency, where different opinions are not only health, but expected, indecent verbage is uncalled for and only adds to distaste, not to participate. But please understand gentlemen, its the consumer who pays for your "living", whether you you earned it or not. Joe, You are totally correct! I admit, my taking this guys slanderous remarks remarks personally, and that he has been attacking the whole industry has led me to get off course. I'll not feed his ego any longer, and I apologize to any and all I may have offended.

    Thank you, Joe, for your post. It made me more aware of what is going on here! Warren and Tate are being very honorable to users of this blog. Thank you This though should not mean that you both totally pull out and not let your civic duty help others with your skill. Sometimes we all want to help without getting paid or receive acknowledgment. Thats what makes us Americans who we are or ought-to-be Cheers. I'm not sure if I overpaid today on my spring replacement. I had Hope Depot install a new insulated garage door 2 years ago, according to my repairman they used the wrong springs for the job.

    The new springs he used were a lot heavier and thicker. The drums he replaced were bigger too. He showed me the cheap plastic brackets that Home Depot used and replace them with stronger metal ones. I bent the rail to my screw drive garage door opener by using it while the spring was broken. He reinforced my garage door opener for free. I can't say if you paid too much, as I don't know your locality, but as far as the springs being the wrong ones depends on if the door balanced properly before a spring broke.

    How much is your door used? If your door has normal, or average use, the springs should last approximately 10, cycles. If they broke pre maturely, probably were of foreign origin, or defective material. As far as the drums are concerned, were they a larger diameter, or width? With a larger diameter, you would need a heavier spring. Would also take fewer turns to balance the door.

    As for the plastic bracket, I can't figure what you are refering to. Home Depot, as well as other box stores, don't make, only sell, garage doors. They have no control over what is in the box it comes in. Consumers, who are usually mostly concerned about the price, have very little to no knowledge of how to install a garage door. They figure they can save money buying it themselves, and do-it-yourself, or hire a proffessional to install it.

    It usually costs more in the long run, than to buy it from a local garage door company, and have someone with knowledge of the product. I take issue with the gdo. A lot of times the owner is not informed, or if self installed, don't realize how important it is to set the up and down sensitivity to where it takes very little effort to stop the movement of the door. The less sensitive it is set, the more chance your door or opener will be damaged if a spring breaks or something stops the movement of the door.

    The operator IS the lock. With most operators, the door can't be manually opened if the operator is properly installed, without releasing the trolley from the rail. I believe you got what you paid for, if it truly needed everything he did. The consumer isn't expected to know what part is right for their door, and can only go by what the service man tells them.

    That is why it is important to check and find out if the company is legitimate, before you hire them. If they have been around a while, or no bad reports from the bbb, they are usually OK! I have been around a lot of years, and have been asked to repair a door system I have never seen before. I believe he will buy a new door, but this has aroused my curiosity. All hardware is mounted on the inside of the door. This shaft is stationary, and the spring is attached to the drum and anchor bracket.

    The drum is situated in the center, top of the door and the cable lays in the afore mentioned grove, and attaches to the bottom of the door, and to the header. The one peice door pivots on side brackets similiar to other one piece doors. I didn't measure it. I figure this door is from the late 30's or 40's. Can anyone tell me the manufacture of this hardware, or if any of it is available today?

    Without any knowleged of how to do it, just my handy man instinct. I was able to do the job, not after some miserable mistake that may have seriously injured may self or worse. Now after 15 years the same spring broke. With may experieced of doing it and learning more on the web I could have easily replaced safely. But my garage door need replacement anyway. The lowest it has been estimated including everything opener etc. Do not attempt to install the torsion spring if you don't have enough knowledge it's so scary what i have experienced.

    If you do, the web have enough instruction to be followed so you can do it safely. Good luck! I was very happy to leave it to the professionals. They come out a half hour after we called on a Saturday no less. Both springs were replaced in about 20 minutes. I have a three year warranty on parts and one year on labor. In my mind, that's money very well spent. Jules, For an "after hours" call, I would say you did very well. Sounds like you found a "humanitarian" who does his job like it should be done, and is trying to establish, or maintain a customer base.

    These are the contractors you don't mind refering to your friends! Coyotet, Did you notice the critic about your spelling, doesn't capitalize, and double comma's where should be only one? Talk about "word perfect! I have been sitting here bored reading on this Peyton Place website. Warren, You and a few others offer a lot of good advice, where as Rectum just seems to be in his own little world.

    I have been in business 14 years in little resort town in SW Florida enjoying the warm weather, living on the water and sipping dark drinks or white Russian in 1 hand, fishing pole in the other, with my gal next to me, watching the sun set over the beautiful waters of the Gulf of Mexico all without having to rip anyone off. Sure I don't have much money in the bank but all my bills are paid and I and enjoying life. If a couple rollers are worn out I will throw them in for free.

    The rollers I use are 11 ball bearing with nylon wheels which are nice and quiet and last a long time. The companies that charge high dollars in this area are just a one time shot. They will get no more work from that person and will be blackballed by everyone that person will tell, believe me. I have seen many companies go out of business in very short time People are not stupid like some of you guys think.

    I don't even have ad in phone book or a website, all word of mouth, which can make or break you High pricing WILL break you unless you are dealing with a bunch of retards with the mind of an 8 year old Ok let me say 3 year old, because my 8 year old knows better. I think they are just trying to make themselves look good because none of us know them and if we did they probably have part time job at Mickie D's or Walmart.

    Good luck to all of you who charge fair prices and treat people right It all pays in the end!!! Sure we may not get rich real fast but at least we sleep well at night. God Bless! I have more repeat customers then new ones for you info,and they all love me. Knowone thinks they pay too high unless losers like you tell them. You can say that about any business if theres some idiot out there telling people they have been overcharged or ripped off then the customer will feel that way know matter how much you have charged them. You dont deserve a job at Mc donalds you better go to Arbys or fish and chips with the way you do business.

    Your a typical idiot and you just proved my point even more so.

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    Rectum You got way too much time on your hands, Sport. To call me a loser.. You on the other hand sit in front of your computer putting down everyone else just to make up for your total lack of character. Don't know where you the hell you are but you have got to have a ton of guys working for you, overcharging every customer just to pay for your ads not to mention workers comp, health insurance, liability ins, truck payments, mortgage on building, parts, phones, electric and etc before you put any money in your pocket.

    You must really take us all for fools. Furthermore to call me a hippie freelancer or moonlighter just goes to show that you must have some type of problem with other door companies that charge a decent price for a great job and still have everything they want in life Of course I am speaking for myself, don't want to try and understand what others want in life like you have everything figured out..

    You don't stay in business in a small town like mine charging your prices. People call all the time to get quotes over the phone and are shocked at my service rates, yours they would pass out. I have more repeat business than any of the large companies around here. Omega Garage Doors is the largest around here, in business since and I do better than them In fact they are my best customer. I am always getting referrals from them when people in my town need service.

    And I for one, just like Warren said, am not going to stoop any further to your level and will not comment any more to the likes of you. Get a life. I thought this forum was to help others out with good advice. You have chosen it to vent your frustrations with your life. I think that if I was as miserable as you, stalking this website seeing who you can bring down to your level, I think I'd shoot myself in the head and put us all out of our misery! Oh by the way who invented the roll up sectional door, you seem to frigging know it all It would just save me the time to look it up.

    I learned from a gentleman who started his company, in Tampa, in Done with YOU! Warren, I'm done scratching.. Said what I wanted to say


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